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Wednesday 25 September 2013

Quote of the day from Noblehead at diabetes.co.uk

“I posted this a few weeks ago, it's an explanation from Gary Scheiner (Think like a Pancreas) about what happens to the liver when you eat a meal that is high in fat, it may/may not explain what is happening to yours and Scotty's bg:

''So what about after the carbohydrates are finished doing their thing? That's when the fat itself begins to exert its effects. The process goes something like this:

You eat a high-fat meal or snack (this is the fun part).
In a few hours, the fat begins to digest; this continues for several hours.
The level of fat in the bloodstream (triglycerides) rises.
High triglycerides in the bloodstream cause the liver to become resistant to insulin.
When the liver is insulin resistant, it produces and secretes more glucose than usual.
The blood glucose rises steadily as the livers glucose output goes up.
This is what causes the gradual, delayed blood glucose rise after consumption of large amounts of fat. The response seems to be dose-dependent the more fat you consume, the more insulin resistant the liver becomes, and the more glucose it produces. The type of fat also appears to play a role. Saturated fats (the type found in dairy and animal products) seem to cause more insulin resistance than monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats (the type found in vegetable products).

So what can be done about it? The obvious answer is to cut back on portions of fatty foods, and choose foods containing healthier types of fats. But when confronted with your favorite culinary indulgence from time to time, you can still partake and manage your blood glucose level reasonably well.''

Far for me to contradict an expert such as Gary Scheiner and the information posted by Noblehead, but one fact, a very important fact has been forgotten about. Every lowcarber I have ever known has witnessed a plummeting in their trigs levels. Mine went from over three at diagnosis to around one within three months. The highest my trigs have been in over five years. My three month blood tests usually indicate, <one. This is typical for almost all lowcarbers. Of course if you are consuming fats and hundreds of carbs per day Noblehead’s post stands true. The consumption of saturated fats does not raise trigs, carbs are the number one reason for elevated trig levels. I repeat, every lowcarber I know, and I know many, has seen a reduction, very often drastic, in trig levels upon commencement of a lowcarb diet.

Eddie


Link to Noblehead's post here.

BTW folks, the give away was in the first line ''So what about after the carbohydrates are finished doing their thing?" 

Nobhead please try harder if you are going to fool our team ! 

8 comments:

tess said...

the short explanation is:

FAT (O3, mono, and saturated) in the absence of carbohydrate is HARMLESS;

CARBOHYDRATE in the absence OR presence of fat is NOT.

fat-haters just want to eat their carbs! if they didn't spew lies about the subject, i wouldn't give a damn what THEY want to eat.

Lowcarb team member said...

Hi Tess

Noblehead is a carboholic, on insulin. Any kind of fat is poison to him. I hope before he checks out he may be enlightened. To people like us he is an irritant. For so many diabetics, he and his ilk are sending them to an early grave. To be fair, he is as thick as plank.

Eddie

Lowcarb team member said...

I hope Smidge has not been deflected from helping these people. I am sure she could have done so.

I'm a little confused here. Surely those following the recommended "normal,healthy diet" would not have been avoiding all fats? But this seems to be what is recommended.

The omission of a few little words such as "if you are eating a lot of carbs" makes an enormous difference.

Kath

Lowcarb team member said...

OMG Eddie you used the C word! you must know how sensitive he is to that naughty word, he even tried to get the term banned from the DCUK forum.

Graham

Anonymous said...

Take those cereals away and bring on the avocado,



Lowcarb team member said...

Update noblehead has just posted a link this is a quote:

However, studies of people with type 1 diabetes have shown that higher-fat pizza meals cause hyperglycemia hours after being consumed.

Also

They are also planning an intervention study to assess whether reducing fat intake would optimize glucose control.

The OP in the thread Eddie linked to was trying low carb I don't think Pizza would be on the menu.

Like Tess said the fats in themselves are not problematic it's when you combine them with high carbs.

Graham

Lynda said...

Even I know that the combination of carbs and fat is the worst way to eat. Low carb, high fat does not cause this problem. My triglycerides are the lowest they have ever been - just like most low carb eaters!

Anonymous said...

noblehead is clueless he should stay away from the low carb debate he's a hindrance rather than a help.